Comments on: The Non-Financial Side of the Rent vs. Buy Debate https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/ Sharing insights on how to grow wealth and gain freedom. Mon, 12 Mar 2018 16:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Zach @ Four Pillar Freedom https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-479 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 11:04:18 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-479 In reply to NZ Muse.

Wow, I wasn’t aware the rental housing was actually a health concern, I thought it was just unaffordable. That makes the situation even more complex. Certainly the rent vs. buy debate is different for every location – but for NZ it seems renting can have huge potential downsides.

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By: NZ Muse https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-478 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 10:22:33 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-478 Thanks for the mention! The equation gets even more complex here in NZ, because the terrible quality of rental housing is a HUGE factor that needs to be accounted for (it’s literally a health issue). I am not exaggerating, there’s lots of coverage about this lately, and I have travelled all around the world and stayed in many average apartments and houses, and have seen first hand the difference. Rents are also climbing at crazy rates, which is another financial factor to think about. Seniors here who don’t own houses and are at the mercy of the rental market find themselves in a really hard place currently, and that is only going to get worse.

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By: HBFI https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-385 Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:44:55 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-385 In reply to Zach @ Four Pillar Freedom.

100% agree that it’s important to avoid taking on dogmatic views, particularly on topics such as this where most of the time there isn’t necessarily a “right answer”. Circumstances vary for everyone and at different times. Like you say, the psychological aspect is every bit as important as the financial.

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By: Zach @ Four Pillar Freedom https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-384 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 22:04:45 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-384 In reply to HBFI.

HBFI, As always you bring up so many great points. I think your point about renting because you wanted the flexibility is a common reason many people lean towards renting as opposed to buying, especially if you’re unsure of how long you’ll be living in a single location. I definitely agree that the vast majority of people have very little knowledge about how the real estate market truly works, myself included.

I think it’s important to be open to both renting and buying – each has it’s own benefits and drawbacks. It seems so easy for us in the personal finance community to take a headstrong, unwavering stance on one side or the other and we forget that this housing decision impacts more than just our financial well-being.

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By: HBFI https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-383 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:34:34 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-383 Totally agree that the decision is far more than a calculation. Though I often don’t see people underestimate the cost of ownership in those calculators by missing expenses that are less frequent or apparent (HVAC replacement, various closing costs, various local taxes, etc.). Many people also tend to buy a bigger home than they rent, so it’s not always an apples-to-apples. The financial decision alone also varies greatly by geography. In some areas it is heavily tilted one way or the other. Frankly, I think too many people consider themselves real estate experts. I’m afraid that looking at Trulia doesn’t make one an educated buyer. Personally I think the real estate market is very poorly structured with mostly uneducated buyers and sellers surrounded by agents who are there to push volume for fees, not give you the best deal (Freakonomics did a great chapter on that). I for one don’t know crap about real estate. Talking to friends who do focus on it and are educated confirms it regularly. That doesn’t mean I won’t buy someday, but I’m eyes wide open and fast to admit it.

I have been in my city for ~13 years and despite knowing I would try to stay here when I first arrived, I made the decision to rent. The math I ran estimated that owning would be better if I stayed at least ~10 years. That assumed inflation level increases on housing prices, which in light of the real estate price decline may have been rosy. Regardless of the bubble, in hindsight I’m very happy I rented. I ultimately wanted to retain more flexibility by renting in the event I lost my job. While that never occurred, I realize looking back that my preferences changed over time and I wouldn’t have been satisfied with where/what I would have bought. So I likely would have ended up moving which would have incurred more fees and expenses, thereby negating much of the benefits from ownership.

I’ve lived in numerous places since, which has allowed me to live in different, cool areas of my city. Many of the places I lived are condos that the owner used to inhabit. So they aren’t dumpy places by any stretch. Though I’ve learned you can’t know the kinks in a place by walking through it, you have to live there for a few months to discover the “hidden gems” that all places have to some degree. I also like being able to just call something when things break (happened to the HVAC – pricey stuff). And I’m glad I don’t have to replace floors, windows, or deal with unexpected costs. Cheers on a great post!

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By: Zach @ Four Pillar Freedom https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-382 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:03:57 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-382 In reply to Miss Balance.

Those are all fantastic points. It sounds like in your unique situation buying a home is a much better choice for many reasons other than financial. Kids are certainly a huge factor to consider when buying a home as well. And you’re right – hiring a contractor is always an option to do work around the house as well, which can making home maintenance a little less stressful and time consuming 🙂

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By: Zach @ Four Pillar Freedom https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-380 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:57:05 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-380 In reply to Primal Prosperity.

It sounds like you have found a sweet spot between combining personal and financial considerations into your home buying – you’re aware that you hate renting but you’re also aware that it’s foolish to overextend yourself in a mortgage. Kudos to you!

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By: Zach @ Four Pillar Freedom https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-379 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:54:01 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-379 In reply to Brandon @ That PF Guy.

Brandon, exactly! The common argument is that renting is “throwing away your money” but the math behind it just doesn’t support this claim. There are plenty of situations where renting will leave you better off than buying a home. In particular, there are many tiny recurring costs that are associated with owning a home like maintenance, property tax, etc. that people typically fail to account for.

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By: Miss Balance https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-378 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 07:16:10 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-378 I completely agree that it isn’t always just about the numbers. Even though house prices are crazy here, I’ll still be buying a home one day so I can raise a family without worrying about the landlord deciding they want to sell, or having to ask to get things fixed (hello my roof is still leaking!). I’ll enjoy the freedom of painting if I wish and if I hate doing yard work the I could consider hiring a contractor to do it for me.
Now I’m rambling…+1 for considering emotions in money decisions

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By: Primal Prosperity https://fourpillarfreedom.com/the-non-financial-side-of-the-rent-vs-buy-debate/#comment-376 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 03:26:36 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=6346#comment-376 I agree that rent vs own, has to be personal and financial. I HATE renting, but I also wouldn’t overextend myself in a mortgage. I am a real estate investor, so I have bought every property with the intention that it might become an income property for me. That keeps me from getting into financial troubles. 🙂

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