Comments on: First Principles Thinking: Should You Invest in a 401(k)? https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/ Sharing insights on how to grow wealth and gain freedom. Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:51:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Zach https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-39164 Sat, 12 Jan 2019 23:31:42 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-39164 Hey Raj,

I’m not a financial advisor, but a rule of thumb is that you want to invest a higher percentage of your portfolio in stocks the further away you are from retirement. As you get closer to retiring, you’d want to shift more of your allocation towards bonds since you’ll be more dependent on your portfolio and you’ll likely start drawing down on it to support your lifestyle expenses. I personally invest all of my 401(k) contributions in an S&P 500 index fund and I see no need to hold bits and pieces in many different funds. Also, to your point about “underperforming funds”, if you’re referring to funds with poor returns over the short-term, that’s just part of investing in stocks. Sometimes returns can be negative during the short-term, it’s completely normal.

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By: Zach https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-38480 Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:39:50 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-38480 In reply to Barry.

That’s awesome that you’re able to contribute to both a 403b and 457 plan. It sounds like those savings are starting to add up pretty quickly – kudos to you!

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By: lisa https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-38261 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 14:22:59 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-38261 My employer does not contribute to our 401k’s. The choices of funds are not gaining very much but the fees are outrageous. Once I figured out that the fees were negating any gains, I decided that pulling out of the 401k was better than giving my money to the fund managers.

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By: Pete https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-38234 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 03:00:40 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-38234 In reply to Jon.

Thank you for the comment! That does appear to be correct and since my wife and I are not trying to do anything too fast with regards to FIRE, this is incredibly helpful. I completely forgot about the rule myself.

Again, thanks!

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By: PFI https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-38213 Sat, 22 Dec 2018 15:49:15 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-38213 In reply to Barry.

Yes, Barry! My wife and I also both work in education and have recently started maxing both the 403(b) and 457. It’s an amazing amount going in pre-tax.

Thanks for the article, Zach. I’d done some quick runs to come to the same conclusion, but as always yours are meticulous and well illustrated. I always find your posts informative.

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By: Jon https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-38195 Sat, 22 Dec 2018 02:12:43 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-38195 In reply to Barry.

Hi Barry, I just wanted to point out something Zach didn’t mention in his post! There is another rule about accessing 401(k) money early that might help you out. I don’t know the in’s-and-out’s of it 100%, but it’s something like if you turn 55 and still work for the company that you have your 401k with, then I believe you can retire at any point during the year you turn 55 and access the money penalty-free. Check it out! It’s a little-known rule.

Also to Zach, thanks for the great article! I really enjoyed it. Also, it’s evident in your graphics, but you DO pay Social Security and Medicare tax even on pre-tax contributions. So it doesn’t completely slip by the tax man, but still better I reckon! I never realized it until I was creating an Excel spreadsheet for my paycheck breakdown one day haha.

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By: Barry https://fourpillarfreedom.com/first-principles-thinking-is-investing-in-a-401k-a-good-idea/#comment-38177 Fri, 21 Dec 2018 14:57:03 +0000 https://fourpillarfreedom.com/?p=32796#comment-38177 Good stuff here Zach..Thank you for the article. I hated the fees in my 403b and did not pay into it for the first 10 years. Once I learned this in the past 2 years I decided to max out both a 403b and 457 plan ( I am a teacher) and it is adding up quickly with almost $40,000 tax savings per year and that growth in the accounts. If I keep it up, once I am 50, I will put in an extra $12,000 for catch up and retire early at 55 while I take the penalty off of the balance I withdraw and be content. Thanks for sharing!

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